Hi!

Question: How long does it take after you've edited and posted a fic to be able to re-read it without feeling like you're going to throw up?

(I'm seriously emetophobic, so typing the words 'throw up' is very hard for me, but no other phrase comes close to expressing my feelings on this matter.)
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From: [identity profile] questails.livejournal.com


Do you want an honest answer or an egotistical, cheerful Leo sort of answer?

From: [identity profile] heartofoshun.livejournal.com


You're funny! Hmmm! I am going through that revolted-by-the-story-I-just-posted period myself right now with my Ardor-in-August fic. Sometimes I actually like a story that I have written right away, but usually the best I can expect when I first finish is to hope it is better than I think it is.

But if I wait too long to look it over again, I find even more things wrong with it. My favorite thing I have ever produced, my novel, A New Day, makes me want to pull my hair out right now; I looked at it the other day to check for a point of continuity in my personal canon and I wanted to sit down and re-write the entire thing.

My answer is that I have no answer. Maybe if it were a drabble or a short poem, I could look at something and think it was as good as I could get it, but never on longer things. I usually just have to declare them finished and "off limits" at a certain point, unless I spot an obvious error or typo.

From: [identity profile] questails.livejournal.com


Then I shall give both, but I don't tell you which is which!

ANSWER THE ONE: Having now read a not-insubstantial amount of your fic, I can use any one of several methods of statistical analysis to show, with better than 99.8% certainty, that you aren't capable of posting something worthy of.... you know.... when reading it later. (I also despise doing... that, so I know what you mean.). Therefore you don't have to worry about it.

ANSWER THE OTHER: It's a trick question with no real answer; because the only vantage point from which you can look back on a work with complete satisfaction is that of a better one. E.g., you re-read something from ten years ago or yesterday; and you can look on it kindly because you learned from its flaws and wrote something better. It was a stepping stone, and as such, you feel like you've gone forward and no longer want to... you know... over those errors or weaknesses.

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


I know my revulsion is directly proportional to hormones and general feelings of Magnificent Scorpio Certainty at any given time. But I don't mind re-reading during the editing process, but once I've declared it finished - It. Is. Finished. No more peeking, thinking or pondering.

But you are so correct about drabbles and short pieces! I was thinking about this while posting the question. Maybe smaller means less margin of error, or smaller is a like beautifully-made piece of clothing that emphasizes the author's attributes. I don't know, but I have less of a need to read my smaller fics with my nose scrunched up and my head turned to the side so I have to see the fic out of the corner of my eye.

But it is this tendency that keeps us trying for better or more or something else, which is crucial to the creative process.

I have no problem reading Your stories over and over!

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


I, honestly, never like anything I write. I'll sometimes like sections of 100 words or so, but a whole fic - never. It usually gets worse with time for me, too; I'm much, much more likely to think something is okay when I finish it and then a month or three later think it's fucking garbage than have my opinion go up.

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


I once subscribed to a mailing list wherein we had to use the letter v. to stand for . . .you know. My mother still v. screens movies for me. And if, god forbid, a kid in the barn does . . .you know, I am out of there so fast. Give me arterial bleeds, give me compound fractures, give me anything other than that.

1. Praise from Leos is the most substantial praise there is. Thank you. Whether this is the Leo answering, or not, I'm tacking this to my wall and staring at it.

2. Your are absolutely right. If we were contented with a finished work, we would have no desire to do more or better. Disgust is a useful and instrumental motivator.

How often do you go back and spend time with a finished visual piece?

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


Yes! Yes! That! And drabbles/short pieces are easier to stare at without my stomach burning.

Why the hell do we do this?

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


The difference here is that your fics are awesome and mine are not, so I am being honest and you are being overly self-critical. ;)

(oh god, oh god, I have 46,000 words of weiss kreuz fic and it's all terrible)

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


Oh, I can write the worse shit ever! Any goodness comes from being suddenly possessed by a stray spirit who knows how to write a descriptive paragraph.

Your golf club scene is still my canon.

I post maybe 5%, maybe less, of what I write. What about you?

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


I hear people say that and my reaction is GIVE ME THE REST, WHY ARE YOU HOLDING OUT ON ME, I'M GOING TO CUT A BITCH. Pretty much the only reason I don't post things that I have is if I wander off in the middle of them due to tiny attention span and they never got finished. (Not exactly super-rare, but...) I can actually only think of one thing that I never put up and never will because it sucked, but it's long enough that it's hard to delete.

Now, while writing I often delete a lot/start over because I don't like things, but that's different.

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


If I posted the other 95% it would burn your eyes and you'd sue me. Think of it as tens of thousands of words of C telling S how much he loves him. You're really better off not knowing.

I want to learn how to write for a purpose, like your kink bingo. I want to do that.

From: [identity profile] questails.livejournal.com


*sadly agrees* I can handle a bleeding animal very calmly. I've seen what a dog's leg looks like after a steel-jacketed slug has been through the femur approximately (per the vet) a week prior. (The dog lived, and kept his leg, although it was rather shorter afterward.) If someone does.. that.. however, I have to flee the room, trying not to do so as well.

1. Now, you've assumed that this was the Leo answer; what if it was the unvarnished truth, hmmm? Either way you most certainly should print it out, prominently label it 'THE TRUTH' and put it someplace where you can see it as you're deciding whether to post a story or not.

2. Who but a Leo says things in such a way to imply that there is no other right answer? Still, this one could also be the truth: I'm not really a sunshine-out-of-the-ass sort, nor am I an egomaniac, therefore yes, I will tell anyone that I get disgusted with my art on a regular basis, and it helps. I am trying to train myself to use that disgust to spring off to something better, not as an excuse to drop my pencils and go play Castlevania. (I've done both, certainly.)

I frequently flinch over old pieces, scrolling past them as I hunt down a file to open in Photoshop. However it's quite rare for me to pick up an old piece again; I either solve and finish something, or drop it forever. I don't know if this is a good habit or not. Being solved-and-finished doesn't exempt a piece from making me want to... you know... but in retrospect, I have to admit that I enjoy the dichotomy: I look at it, I wince over the errors, but often I remember what it was about it that made me happy when I was drawing it, which feels nice. I want that feeling again, so I start to draw something... and the cycle repeats.

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


I bet you're lying.



So sign up for kink bingo. Signups are open for another day til the 14th derp. Do it. Jump in the deep end.

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


I swear to god, I'm not.

But then ahpookishere would beat me with a tire iron because I haven't added to the soviet art heist story in three weeks. It's her fault.

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


You totally are. Prove it.

You can always do soviet russia first even if you sign up, because kb amnesty doesn't end until next year, so there's lots of time. Plus, oh my god, I am the only person who writes porn that isn't shit like crawford/aya or yohji/aya, except for ahpook, but she only wrote hers because I kicked her into it. and hers was better than mine, bawww, shot myself in the foot there.

From: [identity profile] questails.livejournal.com


Oh, admitting THAT was a mistake. I want this mysterious 95%, and I want it yesterday!!!

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


You'll regret this!

90% of the 95% is porn. Or I should say, porn-ish. How about this -- I'll get over my irrational fears of posting no plot and rather than kink bingo, I will post my porn.

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


But it's all smut! And I think I gave you at least 20% of it this afternoon. Is plot really necessary?

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss(x9000) p.s. BTW WHY NO AIM

From: [identity profile] questails.livejournal.com


And do you know what? That 20% was TOO SHORT. Let us consult the Google Documents: 26,418 words - and it Was Not Enough. I sat here and whined, very softly, when there were no more beautiful words to read!

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


We'll revisit your enthusiasm after the porn is posted.

BECAUSE IT WILL EAT MY BRAIN!

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


THEN I WILL HIDE ALL MY BINGONESS FROM YOU FOREVER. :'(

From: [identity profile] two-point.livejournal.com


But there was smut!

You're really wonderful, and it has nothing to do with your Leo-ness. Some. But that's not all.

From: [identity profile] voksen.livejournal.com


WHAT TREACHERY IS THIS???? I WANT IT NOW. POSTHASTE. NOW NOW NOW NOW.
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